tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2831633416461332973.post8188193127167975876..comments2023-11-02T02:01:07.415-07:00Comments on AFIQSAYS: Allah To Be Used in ChurchesAfiq Deenhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/16880499964837505375noreply@blogger.comBlogger50125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2831633416461332973.post-67910530757582442182010-01-01T18:34:36.291-08:002010-01-01T18:34:36.291-08:00exactly!!110% agree with ur POI...~daniel adie~exactly!!<br><br>110% agree with ur POI...<br><br>~daniel adie~DanieL AdiEhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/10741416883592319352noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2831633416461332973.post-35179171876452304452010-01-01T21:37:24.983-08:002010-01-01T21:37:24.983-08:005:685:68RITZ CHEWANhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/07350107727015587214noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2831633416461332973.post-66765486924520930372010-01-01T22:55:28.862-08:002010-01-01T22:55:28.862-08:00I had the same opinion as you do Afiq. and those p...I had the same opinion as you do Afiq. and those protesters are dumb enough to not to know. Christians are humans too, which means they're Allah's creation too. I really don't know why some people can be so shallow. The name of Allah is NOT exclusive for Muslims only. Allah is in/for everyone. EVERYONE. FULLSTOP.Sasanianhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/11546515858916318740noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2831633416461332973.post-58448622744431834112010-01-01T23:28:20.539-08:002010-01-01T23:28:20.539-08:00Okay.. There's something that I disagree.1. Th...Okay.. There's something that I disagree.<br><br>1. They were worshipping the same god that I do. I felt like god is universal, that everyone of the ibrahim religions are worshipping the same god. And we actually do. We just have different methods of doing so.<br><br>As for me (my personal opinion):<br><br>- They didnt worship the same 'Allah' as we do. For them, their concept (the way they thought) about 'Allah' is different. Macam ermm.. "Jam"; one may thought that 'Jam' is Jam Tangan while for others it's Jam Dinding.<br><br>Bagi Saffa, 'Allah' is 'Allah'. I'm not feeling ease when I think that they are using 'Allah' but they didnt though of Allah as the way Allah describe about him in the AlQuran..<br><br>=)saffahttp://saffawati.comnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2831633416461332973.post-54171717876731981792010-01-02T02:48:27.931-08:002010-01-02T02:48:27.931-08:00agreed. even in Sarawak, some churches use the ter...agreed. even in Sarawak, some churches use the term too. tak kecoh pun. <br><br>God is God.FarAhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/02086619331246167336noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2831633416461332973.post-41015454547270963202010-01-02T04:48:48.572-08:002010-01-02T04:48:48.572-08:00mungkin mereka risau dengan penggunaan Allah, enta...mungkin mereka risau dengan penggunaan Allah, entahlah..hari dah nak kiamat kut..manusia dah makin pelik-pelik..tiahttp://www.blogger.com/profile/12925041453315801200noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2831633416461332973.post-31203880114077653002010-01-02T05:29:04.484-08:002010-01-02T05:29:04.484-08:00not really agreed. Like, what is the purposed of u...not really agreed. Like, what is the purposed of using Allah? Why don't they just convert to Islam?. Afraid that non-muslim is going to be confused between the term Islam and Christian. It's modern age, but Islam's teachings remained as where it shd be like ages ago.- Just my 2 cents opinions.-Mashimarohttp://www.blogger.com/profile/05714591361369600661noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2831633416461332973.post-80515674373589224382010-01-02T05:54:04.313-08:002010-01-02T05:54:04.313-08:00Me and a buddy have decided to team up and create ...Me and a buddy have decided to team up and create some apps for the app store. And we needed some advice on things people would like to see. So what's better than asking whoever looks at this? So feel free to list things for us to try and create for the iPhone/iPod Touch etc. Any feedback is appreciated. Thank you!<br> [url=http://forexrobot-review.info]best forex software[/url] [url=http://skullface.omc-games.com/forums/profile.php?mode=viewprofile&u=2521]unlock iphone[/url]Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2831633416461332973.post-10463908070465222622010-01-02T08:18:10.694-08:002010-01-02T08:18:10.694-08:00It's actually very very simple. The original h...It's actually very very simple. The original hebrew old testament bible had been translated into many languages including in arabic.<br><br>In the arabic translation, the hebrew term for god is translated into the word Allah (most probably from the word yahwei)<br><br>that's all to it. Many christian churches here are more comfortable using the english or malay translation translated from the arabic version.<br><br>No agenda revolving muslims or islam at all so y r we reacting as if they are desecrating islam? Maybe because their worldview is so shallow that they think muslims deserve the right of the name Allah because they think islam is the only valid religion.<br><br>Mother Teresa masuk neraka ke sbb dia kristian? Who are we to judge?Afiq Deenhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/09458467880969900244noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2831633416461332973.post-33794267734798341002010-01-02T08:35:59.397-08:002010-01-02T08:35:59.397-08:00Salam'alaykum... selama ni aku just being ur s...Salam'alaykum... selama ni aku just being ur silent reader. I've read all ur articles. some are OK la tp this time, you're obviously SILAP. aku pon xpasti samada anda ni BERPELAJARAN PAKEJ LENGKAP (ILMU DUNIAWI DAN UKHRAWI) atau BELAJAR TINGGI TP TERLALU CETEK ILMU AGAMA. Beringatlah setiap kali anda menulis. Jgn tulis sesuatu yg anda tahu hanya pd DASARNYA shj, but please go further. if ur eyes xnmpk, please guna "mata hati" utk melihat. marilah kita memohon petunjuk dari Allah, bkn GOD iaitu TUHAN dlm BIBLE. Just jgn ckp, "I ada Islamic background b4. I hafal bebrp surah. I tahu ini dan itu." Secara mutlaknya, anda adalah KOSONG... mulai hari ni, ambil initiative to change. Yg baik dr ALLAH, yg buruk dr diri aku sendiri. <br>~org yg cuba nk tegakkan something yg x betol, pasti akan guna mcm2 hujah, pndpt, etc... Kena ingat kekdg dlm HISTORY sendiri, trdpt pelbagai penafian fakta @ boleh diubah2. ANDA SILAP!~Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2831633416461332973.post-4665875991922902202010-01-02T09:16:00.237-08:002010-01-02T09:16:00.237-08:00Kalau silap tolong betulkan. Itu sekadar yang aku ...Kalau silap tolong betulkan. Itu sekadar yang aku tahu dari belajar tahfiz pondok dan di UIA. Mungkin juga aku silap. Jika ya tolong tunjukkan.<br><br>I also checked with several scholars including ustaz asri so my opinion is derivative from different sources, not only from my articulation.<br><br>Sekali lagi, tolong betulkan apa yg dirasa salah supaya masing-masing dapat belajar daripada ilmu yg dikumpul secara kolektif. Tak guna membantah sahaja.Afiq Deenhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/09458467880969900244noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2831633416461332973.post-89623189765014200662010-01-02T12:27:03.449-08:002010-01-02T12:27:03.449-08:00"~org yg cuba nk tegakkan something yg x beto..."~org yg cuba nk tegakkan something yg x betol, pasti akan guna mcm2 hujah, pndpt, etc..." <br><br>So is that why you didn't contribute any argument for us to ponder on and simply said "you're wrong"? What a way to straighten something yg "betol".Another silent readernoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2831633416461332973.post-51700767404751756312010-01-02T17:47:07.818-08:002010-01-02T17:47:07.818-08:00Maaf if apa yg sy tulis diatas mengganggu anda yg ...Maaf if apa yg sy tulis diatas mengganggu anda yg membacanya. tdk perlulah kita melihat penggunaan nama ALLAH itu secara MELUAS tp kita perlu lihat secara lebih SPECIFIC dlm konteks masyarakat di Malaysia sendiri. mgkin bg org yg mcm sy, masih ada sensitiviti ttg penggunaan ALLAH di churches. Sy terfikir, mcm mn pula if one day org2 Kristian nk tukar CHURCH to MASJID di Malaysia? kita x tahu bl ini akan berlaku tetapi tdkkah ini merupakan agenda tersembunyi kaum2 tersebut? Dan adakah AfiqDeen akan menulis entry baru yg akan mengIYAkannya atau menentangnya pula? Sy pembaca setia AfiqDeen akan sentiasa ternanti-nati. Ikhlas dr hati sy yg ISU2 spt ini tdk patut dibincangkan dlm blog ini. Sejuta kemaafan dr saya INSAN HINA. if you're free, pls read to <a href="http://www.zaharuddin.net/bahasa-articles/larangan-kristian-guna-nama-allah-ulasan-ringkas.html" rel="nofollow">this</a> entry. semoga ianya bermanfaat.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2831633416461332973.post-65434465792600642532010-01-02T18:11:11.577-08:002010-01-02T18:11:11.577-08:00ada lagi... sila klik <a href="http://alex...ada lagi... sila klik <a href="http://alexanderwathern.blogspot.com/2009/05/menjawab-dr-asri-isu-allah.html>sini.</a>Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2831633416461332973.post-3353745834519988762010-01-02T18:12:51.094-08:002010-01-02T18:12:51.094-08:00yg diatas terlupa nk letak tanda ni '"...yg diatas terlupa nk letak tanda ni '"' ... sila klik <a href="http://alexanderwathern.blogspot.com/2009/05/menjawab-dr-asri-isu-allah.html" rel="nofollow">sini.</a>Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2831633416461332973.post-79244219622220317332010-01-02T19:11:38.873-08:002010-01-02T19:11:38.873-08:00Mereka bukan baru sahaja guna perkataan Allah di s...Mereka bukan baru sahaja guna perkataan Allah di sesetengah gereja. Dah berkurun lamanya. Ini bukan perkara baru, cuma dapat perhatian baru-baru ini. <br><br>Kalau ya pun ia menyentuh sensitiviti orang macam kamu, mengikut kearifan kamu dalam agama kristian, kamu tidak pun ke gereja untuk mendengar sendiri Allah digunakan dalam konteks agama kristian. Jadi apa masalahnya?Afiq Deenhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/09458467880969900244noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2831633416461332973.post-87979054358914046052010-01-02T21:24:38.264-08:002010-01-02T21:24:38.264-08:00mslhnya mgkin akan terkena pd mereka2 yg cetek ilm...mslhnya mgkin akan terkena pd mereka2 yg cetek ilmu agama mahupun mrk2 yg berkeinginan mempelajari agama ISLAM... dahulu mrk x guna secara meluas tp RISIKO skrg dan masa hdpn mngkin akan jd lebih dahsyat... Kdg2 sikap keterbukaan sstgh masyarakat berpotensi utk menyumbang mslh lain. harap perkara ini dpt diperhalusi lg oleh scholars Islam.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2831633416461332973.post-78560502004695680372010-01-03T01:21:59.528-08:002010-01-03T01:21:59.528-08:00Senang cerita macam ini;-1. Sabah/Serawak sudah gu...Senang cerita macam ini;-<br><br>1. Sabah/Serawak sudah guna Allah sejak sekian lama, ok, kita tak payah ubah. Tetapi di Semenanjung tidak begitu (sejak 600 tahun!!!), kenapa sekarang? apa motif? ~ untuk berdakwah Christian, ini yang orang Melayu marah,<br><br>2. Tidak sama tuhan mereka dengan tuhan Islam, itu adalah termasud dalam ilmu akidah. Muslim mesti mengaku bahawa hanya Islam sahaja yang benar dan yang lain salah, jika mereka tidak yakin begitu, apa makna memeluk agama yang separuh benar?<br><br>3. Jika Bible bahasa Melayu yang mereka inginkan, Allah bukan bahasa Melayu, tetapi bahasa Arab. Tuhan adalah bahasa Melayu, kenapa tidak mahu pakai tuhan? Apa motif? Tengok kepada point 1, dakwah kepada orang Melayu.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2831633416461332973.post-16242758139509562832010-01-03T03:36:44.779-08:002010-01-03T03:36:44.779-08:00What troubled me first and foremost about this iss...What troubled me first and foremost about this issue was the reaction of Muslims, ranging from displeasure to outrage.<br><br>Whether it was the caricature thing or this, the way Muslims react to stuff like that is disturbing. No wonder people think us violent/backward/intolerant. Burning lah, baling batu lah...<br><br>We can't seem to take things in stride and handle things with a tad more sanity.<br><br>I get that an insult to Islam is a great blasphemous act, but how does it further the Islamic cause to be so unpleasant---to put it mildly---about it?<br><br>Just a thought.Ann Aliennoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2831633416461332973.post-27127499713648847382010-01-03T03:36:44.778-08:002010-01-03T03:36:44.778-08:00Thing is afiq, I have nothing against ppl who want...Thing is afiq, I have nothing against ppl who wants to call God Allah, and it is not a crime to translate the term God to Allah in the Bible or whatever.<br><br>BUT if u put this in a context, it is the Catholic church who wants to use it in their Herald thingy.<br><br>I'm no Christian, but my close Christians friends tell me that the Catholics are very political and have their own agenda.<br><br>They openly support PKR and I think this move is just trying to prove a point. <br><br>It's like the Mufti of Perak supporting for Datuk Seri Zambry. Ain't that weird.<br><br>Back to my point, what is wrong with using the word Tuhan instead of Allah if they are so sincere bout all this?datin seri syaripah nolinoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2831633416461332973.post-33531519236251993632010-01-03T03:36:44.777-08:002010-01-03T03:36:44.777-08:00Thing is afiq, I have nothing against ppl who want...Thing is afiq, I have nothing against ppl who wants to call God Allah, and it is not a crime to translate the term God to Allah in the Bible or whatever.<br><br>BUT if u put this in a context, it is the Catholic church who wants to use it in their Herald thingy.<br><br>I'm no Christian, but my close Christians friends tell me that the Catholics are very political and have their own agenda.<br><br>They openly support PKR and I think this move is just trying to prove a point. <br><br>It's like the Mufti of Perak supporting for Datuk Seri Zambry. Ain't that weird.<br><br>Back to my point, what is wrong with using the word Tuhan instead of Allah if they are so sincere bout all this?datin seri syaripah nolinoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2831633416461332973.post-28349246338763246792010-01-03T05:29:52.388-08:002010-01-03T05:29:52.388-08:00I feel you Ann. I think the uncivilised methods of...I feel you Ann. I think the uncivilised methods of protest is brought by their level of education. This is of course my personal opinion. It is somehow apparent that people who are not aptly educated are more inclined to believe and live by propagandas set up by their leaders. Their leaders' reactions to issues are most likely politically motivated and knowing that they will get blind support from the uneducated masses, they kept up with the status quo. This what happens to countries in africa and middle east right now.Afiq Deenhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/09458467880969900244noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2831633416461332973.post-42760161080276683432010-01-03T05:47:47.669-08:002010-01-03T05:47:47.669-08:00Religions and politics are like two peas in a pod....Religions and politics are like two peas in a pod. For centuries, leaders manipulated their civilians' faiths for their own benefits. This is not something Im not aware of. <br><br>However, there is always a similar pattern in all religious-political dilemmas. Religions led and followed by the most educated and wealthy will always trump the rest.<br><br>Having this in mind, muslims can't afford to occupy their time with other people's religious rhetorics. And people will not listen and react oblidgingly to a stand made by a bunch of poor stupid people. Fact. Only with economic wealth and education will people of diff religion and nationality listen and agree to what we're saying. Otherwise, its all white noise to them.<br><br>Yes, u can get angry. Yes u can protest. But if u represent a human race known to be dumb, poor and hotblooded, who in the right mind would listen to your dissatisfactions?<br><br>Melayu memang kuat berpolitik tapi purata kadar bacaan buku bagi orang melayu adalah 2 helai setahun. Tapi mereka membaca surat khabar setiap hari, surat khabar kan penyebar propaganda di negara ni, tak kisahlah kepunyaan kerajaan atau pembangkang. <br><br>Sikit2 mahu mengamuk, selepas tu lupa.Afiq Deenhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/09458467880969900244noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2831633416461332973.post-47847647055068581432010-01-03T15:14:20.526-08:002010-01-03T15:14:20.526-08:00Ugghhhh~ jakun pule pengkritik2 nih! korg tahu ke ...Ugghhhh~ jakun pule pengkritik2 nih! <br><br>korg tahu ke ape maksud Allah tu weyh? Allah maksud die Tuhan, tu je. <br><br>Even org2 arab kat bumi asing ni, tak kira la apa agama skali pon, diorg bile bersumpah, akan ckp "wALLAHi!" = "demi Tuhan!".<br><br>So, skli lagi ditekankan, Allah bermaksud Tuhan, tiada connotation exclusif kepada agama Islam kita ni. <br><br>Tuhan kan Maha Agung, tak sepatutnya ada sifat-sifat seperti manusia. Kenapa pula perlu bernama sepertimana manusia..?<br><br>Haa, nnt musti ade org akan "bang" saye : abis tu, yg 99 nm Allah tu ape??<br><br>Well my dears, those are adjectives attributed to God. Yang menggambarkan sifat-sifatNya.<br><br>Wallahua'lam.<br><br>P/S : maaf ye tuan punya blog, emo sket kat anda nye blog. huhu. teremo dgn sesetgh pihak yang macam katak bawah tempurung, tidak mengenal dunia luar dan bercakap melalui pandangan sekeliling tapi bang org sesedap rase. kalau ye menegur, berhemah la sikit kot...?<br><br>Dan Dia kan penah kata : «..Kami jadi kan kamu berbangsa² dan bersuku² supaya kamu saling mengenal..» (al-hujurat, 49:13)Fzah Ruslanhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/09736566942738400354noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2831633416461332973.post-2512580199182046012010-01-03T20:32:30.937-08:002010-01-03T20:32:30.937-08:001. What is the issue at stake? Penggunaan nama All...1. What is the issue at stake? Penggunaan nama Allah atau kesatuan rakyat Malaysia?<br> <br>2. Issue mengguna nama Allah menyebabkan perpecahan rakyat Malaysia. Melayu vs non-Melayu. (Jika Melayu itu sinonim dengan Islam)<br> <br>3. Therefore issue ini menyatukan Masyarakat Melayu dan meminta Non-Melayu lebih hati2 terhadap sensitiviti Melayu.<br> <br>4. Issue renggang hubungan sesama Masyarakat Melayu telah lebih lama sebelum issue penggunaan nama Allah, Malah mungkin bermula sejak zaman kebangkitan Islam akhir tahun 70an.<br> <br>5. Adakah orang Islam (read Melayu) perlukan issue untuk bersatu? Sejarah menunjukkan jawapan nya ialah YES. Zaman Mahathir banyak menggunakan teknik ini untuk membulatkan suara Melayu dengan dengan issue atau kempen. Contoh yang baik ialah Kempen Telethon Si Jantung yang dibuat coincide dengan Pilihanraya (1990?). Ini adalah satu contoh yang baik yang dikatakan menyumbang kearah kemenangan 'Landslide'. Saya menggunakan contoh yang baik. Banyak lagi contoh2 lain.<br> <br>6. Issue menggunakan nama Allah ini telah dibangkitkan asalnya oleh seorang menteri kabinet (correct me if I am wrong) or is it with the nonrenewal of Herald's publliication License. Kenapa setelah sekian lama Herald menggunakan Allah tanpa masalah. Adakah Menteri itu memang benar-benar seorang pejuang Islam/ Melayu? Harapnya begitulah.<br> <br>7. Adakah issue ini jika dibaca dalam konteks lingkungan subjek "Penggunaan Nama Allah Oleh Golongan Bukan Kristian Di Malaysia" satu issue yang legitimate? Saya rasa jawapannya Yes it is Legitimate. Kita percaya Sukarno telah menggunakan isu Ganyang Malaysia untuk menyatukan Rakyat Indonesia (Kepada pembaca harap tidak bangkitkan isu ini kerana bukan isu Sukarno yang dibincangkan di sini).<br> <br>8. Adakah issue ini legitimate jika dibaca dari konteks lingkungan subjek "Penyatuan Masyarakat Melayu Melalui Issue Yang Sepakat"? Saya rasa jawapannya Yes.<br> <br>9. Adakah issue ini akan memberi amaran terhadap pemuka-pemuka yang mempermainkan sensitiviti Melayu seperti setengah Parti Politik atau Badan badan Inter-faith. Saya rasa jawapannya Yes.<br> <br>10. Yes saya setuju dengan Perdana Menteri bahawa kita mesti berada di dalam keadaan bertenang. Look back. Adakah perahu telah didayung terlalu jauh untuk berpatah balik? <br> <br>11. Look back dan lihat secara global supaya kita tidak ikut-ikutan menjadi Bidak2 di papan catur baik rakyat Islam, Melayu, Kristian, Pro Kerajaan, Pro Pembangkang. Tepuk dada tanya selera.<br> <br>12. Malaysia is at stake. Our Independence of thought is at stake. Our Right to freedom is at stake. Our Right to Peace is at stake.<br> <br>13. Nak Sokong pun betul, Nak Bantah pun betul.<br> <br>14. Tapi kayu ukurannya apa? Yang memberi kayu ukuran itu siapa?<br> <br>15. Kawan2 tengok tak movie The Day The Earth Stood Still? sangat berkesan. Manusia hanya akan menyesal dan berjanji untuk buat baik membetulkan keadaan ketika telah berada diambang maut.<br><br>16. Please sedar "Malaysia" mungkin akan atau telah berada di ambang maut.<br><br>17. Our unity is together forever (to quote Rick Astley) SELURUH rakyat Malaysia. (49:13).<br><br>18. 73 jalan 73 pintu yang pergi hanya SATU iaitu bila SEMUA BERSATU (42:13).<br><br>19. Politik one against the other, I vs U doesn't help anyone.<br><br>20. You can choose the Issues at the Branch or at the Trunk. Tiada yang salah. It is the result that counts. BUT results achieved however Machiavellien?RITZ CHEWANhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/07350107727015587214noreply@blogger.com